I got this log from another channel participant, a new fellow _KB64_..... he was very interetsed to hear the details and more than happy to share his logs..... Session Start: Thu Mar 06 18:40:28 2008 Session Ident: Info [18:40] Session Ident: Info (NewNet, _kb64_) (digi@NewNet-814AB285.to.ashes.reeses.topieces.com) [18:40] I am that guy :) [18:40] and the only issue is dragos tried to rip me off and lost, so now he bans me 01[18:41] <_kb64_> thats not how the logs read [18:41] why not let me speak in channel then? 01[18:42] <_kb64_> sorry, not an op 01[18:42] <_kb64_> but based on ircops comments, i don't think I would if I could! [18:42] fixed [18:43] actually, I am talking with the admins of the irc servers now, or 1 of them... they are with me [18:43] these are channel ops 01[18:43] <_kb64_> anyway, nothing I can do for you [18:46] I am not in hot water, they will lose before I do [18:47] if you care, ask him what started all this [18:47] it was dragos banning me after filing fake paypal shit, after they already refunded my money because he tried to rip me off in the first place, and paypal stopped him [18:48] so was it 80gigs in 8 mins, or 8? [18:48] there is even a thread on lemon64 about it 01[18:48] <_kb64_> Look, I can't help you, even if I wanted to 01[18:49] <_kb64_> I saw what you said, I saw the thread, i saw the pics of the post office stuff [18:49] and I didn't even put negative feedback on him till last night 01[18:49] <_kb64_> looks to me like you were wrong and he was right [18:49] I know, I am not asking you to help, I was just trying to tell you sicnce I can not speak in the channel [18:49] how was I wrong? [18:51] I waited over 3 months for the drive, and nothing 01[18:51] <_kb64_> did you get one, then say his paypal claim was false even though it showed a tracking number that went to your house?? 01[18:54] <_kb64_> according to the logs, you even admitted to getting the drive [18:54] 3 days ago, and I messaged him to tell him, so I could give him his money back, which is the reason I brought it up in the first plave, and he ignored me and banned me again without asking what I wanted [18:55] the paypal hasn't cleared yet, which is the only reason he doesn't have it back [18:55] it was delivered to a new neighbor that just moved in, and he broght it over and introduced himself [18:55] b4 that, I had nothing [18:55] after almost 4 months [18:56] if I was out to rip anyone, why would I say I got the drive finally? 01[18:56] <_kb64_> seems like the thing to do is take care of the finacials and then try to behave 01[18:57] <_kb64_> most of the ops are in the csame club and know each other in real life [18:57] I have to wait for the payment to clear... would you give him more of your own money? [18:57] yep, thats why I am fighting now 01[18:58] <_kb64_> there are at least 10 people in the channel right now that know each other in real life 01[18:58] <_kb64_> and the owner of the chan is in the same c= club as six/dragos/pelleas [18:59] yep, I am aware of the heirarchy [18:59] it only makes things more difficult, not impossible [18:59] if yer a betting man, I'd put a cnote on me ;) 01[19:00] <_kb64_> and what is it that makes you think you can break a bond of real firends? [19:00] thats insider trading :) 01[19:01] <_kb64_> you think you can get his ops revoked by the owner of the chan? [19:01] depends whats at stake [19:01] the server admins will jupe the channel before they let the network stay down 01[19:02] <_kb64_> well, six/drgos and snogpitch are officers in the club, and to the public they will present a united front [19:02] casualties of war 01[19:03] <_kb64_> I am curios why you want in a channel where they clearly do not want to talk to you 01[19:03] <_kb64_> there are other channels [19:04] its only a couple people causing me gref.. the rest have gone way out of their way to help me and get me going 01[19:04] <_kb64_> really? like who? [19:04] I just decided to get back in to the 64 after a bunch of years... [19:05] no offense, you seem like a nice guy, but you came ut and said you think I am wrong.. which is cool , and your choice, but please do not ask me to jeopardize the friendships I have made here by putting them in jeopardy 01[19:06] <_kb64_> I am just saying that I do not see anyone jumping to YOUR defense [19:06] why would they, the minute they do, they will be persecuted [19:06] I got banned for getting ripped off [19:06] what do you think sticking up for me will get you? [19:07] when the guy doing the ripping is on the board of the group as you put it 01[19:07] <_kb64_> but IF you got the drive, how is it a ripoff [19:07] and your going to say, but you got the drive, and yes, but at the time he filed the paypal shit, I didn't have it 01[19:07] <_kb64_> thats the part thats making you look stupid [19:08] now that I have it, I said I got it in the channel, and msgd [19:08] him to get him his money back 01[19:08] <_kb64_> then why do you keep calling him a thief? 01[19:08] <_kb64_> he said lasst nite HE'd have no problem if you did a few simple things [19:08] at the time, I didn't have the drive and he filed a fake paypal complaint 01[19:09] <_kb64_> you seem bent on self destruction... [19:09] well, I wasn;t here, I was banned :) [19:09] nobody said shit to me [19:09] well, its only self destructive if you loose [19:09] see, he is gone now... [19:09] I can have him removed from the cahnnel at will [19:09] no more problems 01[19:10] <_kb64_> how is that? [19:11] well like this, you and I disagree.. but we are having a pleasant discussion about it [19:11] why does it have to go to banning and what? [19:11] why couldn't it just have been talked out? [19:12] I msged him for 3 months waiting for the drive, he ignored me until he sent the second 1 [19:12] and then the only message I got was a tracking number that was invalid [19:12] then 3 days later, I get another saying delivered, but no drive... almost 4 months after I paid for it [19:13] so I got dick 4 months after I paid him instantly, and I even gave him extra money to ship it fedex or ups which he pocketed and shipped regular mail [19:13] whcich is the reason we have an issue in the first place 01[19:18] <_kb64_> i dont think attacking computers on the internet will win you any friends [19:36] be careful [19:36] please do not get fucked cuz of me, I will feel bad [19:36] and then I will have to fight for you also 01[19:37] <_kb64_> he said something about knocking people off at will and the ops are casulties of war.. 01[19:38] <_kb64_> oops. haha, Sorry. [19:38] too bad nobody here can take me [19:38] its cool man, I appreciate you trying to help [19:38] I didn't tell you all that so you would try to help though, I told you cuz I didn't want you thinking I was just some asshole prick fucking with people